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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
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Posted - 2014.07.09 17:41:00 -
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LP is not a currency. Its an attempt at quantifying how much a corp wants to give u neat presents and discounts.
it should never be transferable.
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time" |
Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
1768
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Posted - 2014.07.09 18:40:00 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
That's what npc standings are for, which of course make sense only if they're non-transferrable.
Same as LP's.
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time" |
Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
1768
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Posted - 2014.07.09 18:55:00 -
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My Little Banker wrote:Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
And saying that you can currently somewhat work around a simple concept such as lp transfer is not a solid argument to not introduce it.
Because it means you could fight for gallente in FW, then when the time is right switch to fighting for Caldari and transfer your LP. That doesn't seem a little silly? I feel like there might be a misunderstanding. I want to see the ability to transfer or sell say Caldari LP from one character to another. Not exchange Caldari LP for Gallente LP.
yeah. sell caldari LP, then buy gallente LP.
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time" |
Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
1770
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Posted - 2014.07.09 19:17:00 -
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My Little Banker wrote:
I see nothing wrong with this LP should not be treated as some special thing because it has the word "Loyalty" in it. LP is essentially a credit given by a faction to a pilot for providing a service to be used to buy faction specific goods.
no its not credit, its not vouchers, its not any kind of currency.
its a quantification of how much a corp wants to give u discounts and access to neat items. it is an intangible asset and is as transferable as good will.
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time" |
Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
1770
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Posted - 2014.07.09 20:13:00 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
So what difference would it make to all you lore-lovers if I got the LP from another player instead of, say, having it from when I wasn't in GalMil?
what difference would it make if i could buy sec status and standings off other players?
U get rewards from NPC's without doing the work that was supposed to be done.
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time" |
Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
1770
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Posted - 2014.07.09 20:32:00 -
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The same could be said for trading corp and faction standings and sec status.
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time" |
Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
1770
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Posted - 2014.07.09 20:34:00 -
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Grenn Putubi wrote:Daichi Yamato wrote:
what difference would it make if i could buy sec status and standings off other players?
U get rewards from NPC's without doing the work that was supposed to be done.
For the record you can purchase NPC standings from other players, it's done all the time. You just get in fleet with someone that's running missions and they split the rewards with you. You can be on the other side of the galaxy and still get the standing increases in this way and it's commonly used by people that have gotten themselves to kill on sight status with an Empire so they can reach a point of being able to travel freely through their space again. And can't you turn in tags for Sec status now? How's that any different than purchasing it directly from another player? Buy tags, turn in for Sec status.
nah u have to be nearby to get the standing boost. and its not trading standing or sec status. one person does not lower their own standing or sec status and give it to u. This is why tags are not the same. Tags ARE in fact like tokens that u hand in for bacon. They ARE tangible assets.
Trading un tangible assets like LP's is different.
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time" |
Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
1770
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Posted - 2014.07.09 21:09:00 -
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navy still come after u even if they are pretty much in bed with u. u can be +10, but they shoot u just cause of FW.
Buying a hookbil on the market from another player is one thing. Getting it for free (or the cost of a kestrel) off an NPC because of LP's is another.
That access to a cheaper hookbill is intended for someone who put the work in. Just like perfect refining and access to jump clones and higher level mission agents.
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time" |
Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
1770
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Posted - 2014.07.09 21:20:00 -
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because u know someone who will do it for u, for free or for isk. the same can go for getting a hookbill from an LP store.
so u think we should remove the NPC standing requirements for JC's, refining and mission agents?
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time" |
Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
1770
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Posted - 2014.07.09 21:41:00 -
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LP is not just another currency. its quantified gratitude.
imagine u work for Nike, and the dirctors say 'for ur stirling work this day u can have 50% discount on any purchase upto £200'.
that discount is intangible, non-tradeable, but can be quantified to be worth £100.
No there is nothing stopping u from paying someone else to get something from an LP store for u, just like theres nothing stopping this Nike employee from offering this discount. But the discount cannot be sold to anyone. He must reach out to someone, or someone reach out to him, and hes still required for the actual transaction.
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time" |
Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
1770
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Posted - 2014.07.09 21:56:00 -
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so remove LP's if NPC's cannot properly express gratitude...
or should we just come up with a way of trying to quantify it, because its a game.
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time" |
Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
1770
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Posted - 2014.07.09 22:12:00 -
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Grenn Putubi wrote:Grenn Putubi wrote: ...it's reasonable to assume that 'Good Will' involves doing favors for people other than the one that earned it upon request. It's just a matter of how much Good Will it's going to cost you to get them to do the favor for you. If you're going to treat the NPCs like people and you're earning favor with those people then why not just ask those people to do favors for others in your stead?
If u want to do that, u can with the existing system.
But u want it to be publicly tradeable, which none of the favours we've discussed are.
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time" |
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